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Nov 4, 2019; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants defensive end Leonard Williams (99) warms up before a game against the Dallas Cowboys at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)
Nov 4, 2019; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants defensive end Leonard Williams (99) warms up before a game against the Dallas Cowboys at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)


Giants' Leonard Williams trade makes less sense now than it did before Dave Gettleman's explanation - SNY.tv 1Ralph Vacchiano | Facebook | Twitter | Archive

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — It took two months for Giants GM Dave Gettleman to publicly defend his inexplicable trade for Leonard Williams.

Now that he has, it makes even less sense than it did before.

Not that Gettleman was swayed, of course. He stood strongly behind what so far is, unfortunately, his signature deal. Even with hindsight, he had no issue with sending two draft picks to the Jets for a two-month rental of a free-agent-to-be in the midst of a 4-12 season.

Or to put it in Gettleman-ese: “The juice was worth the squeeze.”

That’s cute, but no it wasn’t. In this case he was given lemons, but that wasn’t lemonade that came out.

What Gettleman was trying to explain on Tuesday, in his first press conference in more than five months, was that it was worth the price of a third-round and a fifth-round draft pick just to get an up close and personal look at the 25-year-old Williams so the Giants could evaluate whether they should sign him long-term or not. And if they did choose to sign him, they believed it would be easier to do while Williams was part of the organization, before he hit free agency, even though that would change that fifth-round pick to a fourth.

 

Never mind that Gettleman could have gotten an in-person evaluation of Williams by literally walking across the Meadowlands parking lot to MetLife Stadium eight times during the year. And never mind that he probably could have learned the same things about Williams from afar, still tried to sign him in March, and kept those two picks which the Giants could most certainly use.

Gettleman stood by his illogical move and tried to cover it with what he considered logic – logic that made no sense at all.

“We felt we needed him,” Gettleman insisted. “Again, we felt good about it and we feel — and he’s proven — he’s disruptive in there. He improved our rushing defense with him in there. He buzzes around the quarterback. We’ve just got to get him to finish now. But the bottom line is we felt it was worth the deal.”

Every word he said had everyone watching saying “Yeah, but …” As in: Yeah, but why would a team that was 2-6 at the time of the trade need anyone that cost two draft picks for the final two months of the season? Adding Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Donald for the final two months wouldn’t have been worth a 3 and a 5 in the midst of a 2-6 season if they were simply going to walk away on March 18.

And OK, Gettleman is pretty confident the Giants are going to re-sign Williams, who has publicly said he’s looking for an enormous contract, though realistically is probably going to have to settle for something less. “He was in my office yesterday,” Gettleman said. “And he told me he wants to be here.”

Yeah, but … He hasn’t signed yet. What if he doesn’t? Didn’t the Giants just throw away two valuable picks for nothing at all? Gettleman insisted that if that happens, those two draft picks would be at least partially recouped because “If we hold our water, we’ll get a third-round (compensatory pick)” in the 2021 draft – though that’s not completely true, nor is it a fair representation of how the comp picks work.

Regardless, this bizarre trade wasn’t about the comp pick. It was apparently about the inside look. But that doesn’t seem to be nearly enough to justify the high cost. And given that Williams, the sixth overall pick of the 2015 draft, had just a half-sack this season and has had only 7.5 in the last three years, wasn’t there a pretty good chance that the Giants could’ve signed him in March anyway? His market isn’t going to be huge. He already seemed to love New York. Did two months with the Giants really change anything about his situation?

And isn’t two draft picks for a rebuilding franchise a really high price to pay for a player they could’ve gotten anyway in a few months?

“Well, that’s hypothetical,” Gettleman said. “I understand what you’re saying, I really do, but at the end of the day, we felt good about him. He did what we wanted him to do, and he wants to be here.”

Yeah, but …

And never mind that Williams hasn’t exactly been an impact player. He’s always been a better player than he gets credit for, of course. That “hidden production” that is often mocked does matter. But he’s not the dominant pass rusher the Giants so desperately need. He is disruptive. But Williams is more of a complementary piece.

That’s what the Giants saw. That’s what they learned from this two-month evaluation. But again, everyone knew what Williams was. Why not keep those precious draft picks and just wait?

 “Because now we know what we have,” Gettleman said. “And we were willing to do that.”

And round and round and round it went.

This sure seems like one of the “misses” Giants co-owner John Mara talked about Monday, even though Gettleman clearly sees it as draft capital well spent. It’s just hard to see any scenario where what he spent would be worth it in the end. The only way this deal makes any sense at all is if the Giants somehow sign Williams to a below-market deal long before he hits free agency. Yes, they could use the franchise or transition tag on him, but that would be so expensive this whole thing would make even less sense.

That may be hard to fathom at this point, though. A deal that made little sense at the time makes no sense now and the long-awaited explanation is nothing but a head-scratcher. It turns out that this deal that seemed so inexplicable at the time really does have no logical explanation at all.

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Nov 18, 2019; Mexico City, MEX; Kansas City Chiefs head coach Andy Reid and offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy watch from the sidelines in the second half against the Los Angeles Chargers during an NFL International Series game at Estadio Azteca. The Chiefs defeated the Chargers 24-17. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports (Kirby Lee)
Nov 18, 2019; Mexico City, MEX; Kansas City Chiefs head coach Andy Reid and offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy watch from the sidelines in the second half against the Los Angeles Chargers during an NFL International Series game at Estadio Azteca. The Chiefs defeated the Chargers 24-17. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports (Kirby Lee)

Andy Reid hopes Eric Bieniemy stays with the Chiefs, but the seventh-year Kansas City head coach will not blame his trusted offensive assistant if he leaves to become a head coach.

Reportedly linked to vacancies with the Giants and Carolina Panthers, Bieniemy’s rise as offensive coordinator of the Chiefs has NFL teams interested — and Reid understands why.

Talking to reporters Monday, Reid acknowledged the possibility that Bieniemy could leave Kansas City, but the offensive-minded Chiefs coach endorses the seventh-year assistant.


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Jan 6, 2019; Baltimore, MD, USA; Baltimore Ravens defensive coordinator Don Martindale during an AFC Wild Card playoff football game against the Los Angeles Chargers at M&T Bank Stadium. The Chargers defeated the Ravens 23-17. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports (Kirby Lee)
Jan 6, 2019; Baltimore, MD, USA; Baltimore Ravens defensive coordinator Don Martindale during an AFC Wild Card playoff football game against the Los Angeles Chargers at M&T Bank Stadium. The Chargers defeated the Ravens 23-17. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports (Kirby Lee)

The Giants are searching for their next head coach after firing Pat Shurmur. Here’s the latest on potential candidate Don Martindale


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As the Giants field candidates for their head coaching vacancy, one more name is reportedly known on the list of interviews.


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The Giants are searching for their next head coach after firing Pat Shurmur. Here’s the latest on potential candidate Eric Bieniemy


Dec. 31, 8:07 PM:

According to NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport, Kansas City Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy is scheduled to meet with the Giants on Saturday.


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Dave Gettleman
Dave Gettleman

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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — Dave Gettleman was well aware of how angry fans were as the walls of the Giants franchise collapsed around him this season. He knew the outside world questioned his decisions. He could feel the heat in his office.

Yet he still refused to come out.

“I was feeling guilty about it,” Gettleman said on Tuesday in his first press conference in more than five months. “I felt guilty that Pat (Shurmur) was up there taking the bullets.”


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Joe Douglas (Winslow Townson)

Speaking the day after the Giants fired head coach Pat Shurmur, GM Dave Gettleman had a press availability for the first time in months, addressing a wide range of topics during an at-times awkward 30 or so minutes.

In addition to Gettleman’s odd rationale for trading for Leonard Williams, here are the takeaways…

Why is he still here while Pat Shurmur isn’t?

“There has been much speculation over the futures of Pat Shurmur and myself,” Gettleman said as he began his remarks. “Every day is a job interview in this industry and we accept that. So I understand the question of why was Pat dismissed and I was not. Just to be clear: There were substantive discussions between myself and ownership regarding my job performance and vision moving forward over the past two weeks. So John (Mara) and Steve (Tisch) made their decisions and here I stand.”


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Dec 29, 2019; East Rutherford, New Jersey, USA; New York Giants quarterback Daniel Jones (8) throws a pass against the Philadelphia Eagles during the first quarter at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)
Dec 29, 2019; East Rutherford, New Jersey, USA; New York Giants quarterback Daniel Jones (8) throws a pass against the Philadelphia Eagles during the first quarter at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)

Dave Gettleman initially received criticism for taking Daniel Jones with the No. 6 overall pick in the 2019 NFL draft April 25, but the Giants general manager’s move showed early progress when the rookie quarterback flashed as New York’s starter.

The Duke product replaced 16-year veteran starter Eli Manning in Week 3 of the regular season after the Giants’ 0-2 start, sparking Sept. 22’s 32-31 win over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and totaling 12 starts.

While the Giants ended the year at 4-12 overall, resulting in Monday’s firing of Pat Shurmur after two seasons, Gettleman got Jones right. Still, Gettleman was surprised to see Jones throw for 3,027 yards and 24 touchdowns to 12 interceptions in 13 games, when speaking Tuesday at his end-of-year press conference.


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Sep 22, 2019; Tampa, FL, USA; New York Giants center Jon Halapio (75) blocks during the second half at Raymond James Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Kim Klement-USA TODAY Sports (Kim Klement)
Sep 22, 2019; Tampa, FL, USA; New York Giants center Jon Halapio (75) blocks during the second half at Raymond James Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Kim Klement-USA TODAY Sports (Kim Klement)

Giants center Jon Halapio suffered an Achilles tear and will not be ready until fall training camp, general manager Dave Gettleman announced Tuesday at an end-of-year press conference.

“Unfortunately, ‘Pio got hurt again — he tore his Achilles,” Gettleman said. “So now he’s not going to be ready until camp, probably, most likely. But we feel like we’ve got some good pieces (on the offensive line) and they’ve just got to continue to work together and improve. We’re always going to look to add. We’re not afraid to draft over anybody. So we’ll continue to work that.”

The 6-foot-3, 315-pound Halapio was carted off the field in Sunday’s 34-17 season-ending loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.


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Nov 4, 2019; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants defensive end Leonard Williams (99) lines up against the Dallas Cowboys during the first quarter at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)
Nov 4, 2019; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants defensive end Leonard Williams (99) lines up against the Dallas Cowboys during the first quarter at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)

General manager Dave Gettleman stands by the Giants’ decision to trade for defensive lineman Leonard Williams from the Jets, although the late-October move did nothing to alter the team’s contention for the playoffs.

The Giants gave the Jets a pair of NFL draft picks — a 2020 third-rounder and a 2021 fifth-rounder — for Williams, who had little impact on New York’s defense in the second half of the 2019 season.

Speaking at Tuesday’s end-of-year press conference, where he addressed his return and the Giants’ decision to fire head coach Pat Shurmur after two years, Gettleman said that Williams was a move the general manager would do again.


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As 2019 comes to a close, we’re reminiscing about the sports moments that affected New York over the past 10 years. So we decided to rank them.

Here are the Top 10 sports moments of this decade…


10) No-Han: Johan Santana throws first no-hitter in Mets history


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Baylor head coach Matt Rhule (Treated Image by SNY)

The Giants are searching for their next head coach after firing Pat Shurmur. Here’s the latest on potential candidate Matt Rhule


Dec. 31, 10:30 AM: 

Speaking at Tuesday’s press conference for Wednesday’s Allstate Sugar Bowl against Georgia, Rhule was generally asked about recent reports linking him to NFL vacancies, such as the Giants.


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Nov 24, 2019; New Orleans, LA, USA; Carolina Panthers head coach Ron Rivera in the second quarter against the New Orleans Saints at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome. Mandatory Credit: Chuck Cook-USA TODAY Sports (Chuck Cook)
Nov 24, 2019; New Orleans, LA, USA; Carolina Panthers head coach Ron Rivera in the second quarter against the New Orleans Saints at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome. Mandatory Credit: Chuck Cook-USA TODAY Sports (Chuck Cook)

Dec 31, 2017; Detroit, MI USA; Green Bay Packers head coach Mike McCarthy (left) leaves the field their game against the Detroit Lions at Ford Field. Mandatory Credit: Mark Hoffman/Milwaukee Journal Sentinel via USA TODAY Sports (Mark Hoffman)
Dec 31, 2017; Detroit, MI USA; Green Bay Packers head coach Mike McCarthy (left) leaves the field their game against the Detroit Lions at Ford Field. Mandatory Credit: Mark Hoffman/Milwaukee Journal Sentinel via USA TODAY Sports (Mark Hoffman)

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Speaking to reporters on Monday, Giants chairman and executive vice president acknowledged the uncommon structure of his working relationship with owner and team president John Mara

“John and I have been partners going on 15 years” Tisch said. “As you know, the Giants, the ownership is unique. It’s the only team with two equal partners. We’ve been talking as partners for 15 years.”

As SNY’s Ralph Vacchiano wrote last week, “Tisch… has a 50-50 stake in the Giants organization, but Mara has the final say on all football decisions. Still, Tisch’s voice obviously carries weight and Mara takes his input seriously, especially when it comes to major decisions like this.”


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Cowboys passing coordinator/defensive backs coach Kris Richard is throwing his hat into the Giants head coach vacancy ring, it was reported on Monday evening.

According to ESPN’s Josina Anderson, Richard is scheduled to interview for the position this Thursday, just three days after the Giants announced they had fired Pat Shurmur after two seasons.

Meanwhile, Richard still awaits the fate of his current head coach Jason Garrett, who as of Monday night has not been relieved of his duties.


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Dec 15, 2019; Cincinnati, OH, USA; New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick watches during the first half against the Cincinnati Bengals at Paul Brown Stadium. Mandatory Credit: David Kohl-USA TODAY Sports (David Kohl)
Dec 15, 2019; Cincinnati, OH, USA; New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick watches during the first half against the Cincinnati Bengals at Paul Brown Stadium. Mandatory Credit: David Kohl-USA TODAY Sports (David Kohl)

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Consider this the rumor that just won’t die: Bill Belichick walking away from an increasingly rocky situation in New England and returning to save the Giants, his first true love.

It’s an intriguing scenario. And the Giants surely wouldn’t say no if the greatest coach of this generation wanted to return home. In many ways, it would be a dream outcome.

But alas, it’s just a dream.


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Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels (Treated Image by SNY)
Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels (Treated Image by SNY)

The Giants are searching for their next head coach after firing Pat Shurmur. Here’s the latest on potential candidate Josh McDaniels


Dec. 30, 3:55 PM:

The “expectation” is that McDaniels will accept the Browns’ request to meet with him about their vacant head coaching job, reports Josina Anderson of ESPN.


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Speaking on Monday after the firing of head coach Pat Shurmur and a day after walking off the MetLife Stadium field for what is almost certainly the last time, Giants QB Eli Manning reflected and talked about his future.

Manning said it will take a little time for the likely end of his Giants career to “truly sink in,” adding that he’ll choose to remember the good times. He also said he hasn’t yet decided whether he wants to play in 2020.

“I’m gonna think about it, and then just talk to the family and figure out what’s best for me and us and what I want to do moving forward,” Manning said.


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Saquon Barkley and Daniel Jones talk about the firing of head coach Pat Shurmur, and appreciating the belief he had in them.


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Feb 27, 2019; Indianapolis, IN, USA; New York Giants general manager Dave Gettleman speaks to the media during the 2019 NFL Combine at the Indianapolis Convention Center. Mandatory Credit: Brian Spurlock-USA TODAY Sports (Brian Spurlock)
Feb 27, 2019; Indianapolis, IN, USA; New York Giants general manager Dave Gettleman speaks to the media during the 2019 NFL Combine at the Indianapolis Convention Center. Mandatory Credit: Brian Spurlock-USA TODAY Sports (Brian Spurlock)

The Giants fired Pat Shurmur on Monday morning and have already begun the search for his replacement, with team president John Mara saying that the team would not comment publicly on specific candidates.

As the head coaching search gets rolling, SNY’s Ralph Vacchiano is reporting that Baylor’s Matt Rhule is the current frontrunner. Meanwhile, the Giants have asked for permission to interview Patriots OC Josh McDaniels.

Here’s how Vegas — through BetOnline.ag — views the odds…


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Pat Shurmur‘s tenure as Giants head coach came to an abrupt end on Monday morning when he was fired. But even though Shurmur is out, Dave Gettleman — the architect of the team that under-performed under Shurmur — will remain.

While announcing the firing of Shurmur, team president John Mara released a statement detailing the decision to move on.

“Steve (Tisch) and I have had many extensive discussions about the state of the Giants,” Mara said. “This morning, we made the very difficult decision that it would be in the best interest of the franchise that we relieve Pat of his duties. The last three seasons have been extremely disappointing for the organization and our fans. Pat has been a successful and highly-respected NFL coach for 21 years and he is not solely responsible for our record. But we came to the conclusion it is best to have a fresh start with the coaching staff. We very much appreciate how much Pat has done for this franchise. He is a man of character and integrity and the team has conducted itself with pride and professionalism.”


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May 3, 2019; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants general manager Dave Gettleman during rookie minicamp at Quest Diagnostic Training Center. Mandatory Credit: Noah K. Murray-USA TODAY Sports (Noah K. Murray)
May 3, 2019; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants general manager Dave Gettleman during rookie minicamp at Quest Diagnostic Training Center. Mandatory Credit: Noah K. Murray-USA TODAY Sports (Noah K. Murray)

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Dave Gettleman and Pat Shurmur essentially arrived together two years ago to help rebuild the Giants. But only one of them is getting a chance to see that rebuilding project through.

While Shurmur was fired by the Giants on Monday morning, Gettleman will not suffer the same fate. Despite rampant speculation that he would be fired or step down, the 68-year-old general manager will remain in his position, the Giants announced, and as SNY reported on Sunday.

“Dave Gettleman is our general manager in 2020 and hopefully for many years after that,” Giants co-owner John Mara said in a statement. “We believe he is the right person to lead us going forward.”


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The No. 1 name on the Giants’ list to be their next head coach is the same man who was very nearly hired to be the Jets coach last year.

Matt Rhule, the 44-year-old head coach at Baylor, is the early favorite to replace the now fired Pat Shurmur, according to multiple team and league sources. The Giants owners “like him a lot,” said one league source, and have been enamored of him since his one year as a Giants assistant back in 2012.

He left a big impression then, one team source said, and they were certain the native New Yorker would be a successful head coach when he left after that one season as the assistant offensive line coach under Tom Coughlin to take over the football program at Temple.


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May 11, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants owner John Mara (left) and general manager Dave Gettleman on the field during rookie minicamp at Quest Diagnostics Training Center on Friday. Mandatory Credit: Danielle Parhizkaran-USA TODAY SPORTS (Danielle Parhizkaran)
May 11, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants owner John Mara (left) and general manager Dave Gettleman on the field during rookie minicamp at Quest Diagnostics Training Center on Friday. Mandatory Credit: Danielle Parhizkaran-USA TODAY SPORTS (Danielle Parhizkaran)

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Pat Shurmur’s fate has been sealed. Not long ago it was unthinkable that the Giants would go into 2020 with their fourth head coach in six seasons, but here we are.

Who will that be? That’s a tough question. There’s no obvious successor on Shurmur’s staff, and really none from the recent staffs of Ben McAdoo or Tom Coughlin either. The field of available candidates is generally the same as it was two years ago when they decided to hire Shurmur — and that field wasn’t considered great.

Given the need for “an adult in the room,” as GM Dave Gettleman once called Shurmur, it seems unlikely they’d take a chance on a hot, young, unproven assistant. Head coaching experience mattered in the end last time, and it likely will be a preference again, since this franchise has no time for on-the-job training. NFL experience always matters to the Giants. And they’ll need someone who has shown to have a thick skin to handle the New York heat — something they really haven’t had since Coughlin was pushed out.


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Pat Shurmur

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Less than two years ago, the Giants gave Pat Shurmur the keys to a dysfunctional mess of a locker room because they believed he was the “adult” who could clean it up. And in many ways he did. The room is far more professional than it was back then.

But that didn’t matter as much as maybe it should have in this bottom line business. Shurmur went 9-23 in his two seasons with the Giants, including 4-11 with a franchise-record-tying nine-game losing streak this year.

In the end, the 54-year-old Shurmur never had a chance.


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Oct 10, 2019; Foxborough, MA, USA; New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur watches a play against the New England Patriots during the first half at Gillette Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Greg M. Cooper-USA TODAY Sports (Greg M. Cooper)
Oct 10, 2019; Foxborough, MA, USA; New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur watches a play against the New England Patriots during the first half at Gillette Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Greg M. Cooper-USA TODAY Sports (Greg M. Cooper)

Some late-season wins couldn’t save Giants head coach Pat Shurmur, who was fired Monday, reports Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network.

Shurmur, who took over before the 2018 season, finished with a 9-23 record during his time in New York after Sunday’s 34-17 loss to the Eagles. 

SNY’s Ralph Vacchiano reported Sunday afternoon that Shurmur was not likely to return, while GM Dave Gettleman is expected to stay on. He also reported on Dec. 11 that the “consensus around the league” was that Shurmur would be out after the season. At the time, the Giants were on a nine-game losing streak.


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Dec 1, 2019; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur reacts as he coaches against the Green Bay Packers during the third quarter at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)
Dec 1, 2019; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur reacts as he coaches against the Green Bay Packers during the third quarter at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)

With their loss to the Eagles on Sunday, the Giants finished the 2019 season at 4-12, bringing head coach Pat Shurmur‘s two-year record with Big Blue to 9-23.

In the wake of another brutal season, the expectation is that Shurmur — who has three years left on his contract — will be fired.

The Giants will be having a team meeting Monday morning, and GM Dave Gettleman is scheduled to speak on Tuesday. For now, Shurmur’s fate is in the balance. Click below to see how the back pages in NYC are reacting…


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Dec 28, 2019; Glendale, AZ, USA; Clemson Tigers running back Lyn-J Dixon (23) runs the ball against Ohio State Buckeyes defensive end Chase Young (2) and defensive lineman Robert Landers (67) during the third quarter in the 2019 Fiesta Bowl college football playoff semifinal game at State Farm Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Joe Camporeale-USA TODAY Sports (Joe Camporeale)
Dec 28, 2019; Glendale, AZ, USA; Clemson Tigers running back Lyn-J Dixon (23) runs the ball against Ohio State Buckeyes defensive end Chase Young (2) and defensive lineman Robert Landers (67) during the third quarter in the 2019 Fiesta Bowl college football playoff semifinal game at State Farm Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Joe Camporeale-USA TODAY Sports (Joe Camporeale)

After two straight wins, the Giants fell 34-17 to the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday, but they did not move back up from their No. 4 spot in the 2020 NFL draft order.

While the Cincinnati Bengals had already clinched the No. 1 pick, the Giants’ fourth slot remained to be seen into Week 17, but losses ahead by the Detroit Lions and Washington Redskins cemented the top four — and likely leaving New York on the outside looking in when it comes to Ohio State junior defensive end Chase Young.

As the bottom of the order gets figured out with the playoffs on deck, below is the latest draft order, according to Tankathon.com as the final weekend of the regular season comes to an end.


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Dec 29, 2019; Arlington, Texas, USA; Dallas Cowboys head coach Jason Garrett reacts during the game against the Washington Redskins at AT&T Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Kevin Jairaj-USA TODAY Sports  (Kevin Jairaj)
Dec 29, 2019; Arlington, Texas, USA; Dallas Cowboys head coach Jason Garrett reacts during the game against the Washington Redskins at AT&T Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Kevin Jairaj-USA TODAY Sports (Kevin Jairaj)

With the Giants’ 34-17 loss to the Eagles, Philadelphia clinched the NFC East outright while the Cowboys and ninth-year head coach Jason Garrett were left on the outside looking in.

Dallas (8-8) finished the 2019 season in second behind the Eagles (9-7), dropping last Sunday’s decisive 17-9 loss to Philadelphia before rebounding with Sunday’s 47-16 win over the Washington Redskins (3-13).

Despite the win, the Cowboys are 8-8 for the fourth time since Garrett took over as the full-time head coach in 2011. As his contract expires with the end of the season, will he be back in 2020 and beyond?


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Saquon Barkley knows his job is to lead the Giants’ offense and not make decisions regarding New York’s head coach, but the second-year running back offered support Sunday when he was asked about Pat Shurmur’s uncertain future.

Speaking after Week 17’s 34-17 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles (9-7) at MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford, New Jersey, Barkley defended Shurmur and the Giants’ coaching staff.

Developed by Shurmur and company after general manager Dave Gettleman selected the former Penn State running back with the No. 2 overall pick in the first round of the 2018 NFL draft, Barkley took the blame off the staff and emphasized a collective process.


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Oct 13, 2019; London, United Kingdom; Carolina Panthers head coach Ron Rivera before an NFL International Series game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports
Oct 13, 2019; London, United Kingdom; Carolina Panthers head coach Ron Rivera before an NFL International Series game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports

Dave Gettleman declined to met the media after Sunday’s 34-17 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles, but the New York Giants general manager will, in fact, speak with reporters this week.

The Giants will hold a Tuesday morning press conference with Gettleman, according to SNY’s Ralph Vacchiano.

After the 2019 season ended with the Giants’ 17-point loss to the divionsal-rival Eagles clinching the NFC East title at MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford, New Jersey, Gettleman reportedly passed a group of media members and only shared three words.


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Dec 29, 2019; East Rutherford, New Jersey, USA; New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur removes his headset after losing to the Philadelphia Eagles at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports
Dec 29, 2019; East Rutherford, New Jersey, USA; New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur removes his headset after losing to the Philadelphia Eagles at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports

Pat Shurmur has not had any discussion with New York Giants brass about his status as head coach, he said after Sunday’s 34-17 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.

In Year 2, Shurmur went 4-12 on the 2019 season. He followed his 2018 debut, a 5-11 mark, one game worse and lost nine straight games from Oct. 6 through Dec. 9.

After the latest defeat dropped Shurmur to 9-23 through two year on the job, Shurmur was asked about if there had been any meetings yet with ownership regarding 2020.


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There is no reason to believe that Pat Shurmur‘s fate at all hung in the balance on Sunday afternoon, that the game against the Eagles would be enough to sway his bosses in one way or the other. But if it was the last chance for Shurmur to make his case, or one last advertisement for him to stick around another season, it hardly was convincing.

Instead, the 34-17 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles was an advertisement for everything that plagued Shurmur’s Giants over the last two years.

Pick your poison: An anemic offense, questionable play calling, a stunning under useof Saquon Barkley for most of the game. There was also some bad offensive line play, a complete lack of a pass rush, terrible tackling throughout the defense and miscommunications in the secondary.


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May 21, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants general Manager Dave Gettleman and New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur during OTA practice at Quest Diagnostic Training Center. Mandatory Credit: Noah K. Murray-USA TODAY Sports (Noah K. Murray)
May 21, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants general Manager Dave Gettleman and New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur during OTA practice at Quest Diagnostic Training Center. Mandatory Credit: Noah K. Murray-USA TODAY Sports (Noah K. Murray)

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The final game of this miserable Giants season will very likely be the final game of the Pat Shurmur Era. But most likely, the Dave Gettleman Era will go on.

That appears to be the way things are headed with the Giants based on conversations with multiple sources around the NFL. Shurmur is widely expected to be fired by Monday morning, barring a late stay from co-owners John Mara or Steve Tisch. But Gettleman is expected to survive any purge for now.

That certainly could change, especially after Mara and Tisch have what Tisch promised would be a “very honest” conversation about the state of the franchise. It is believed they will meet early Monday morning to finalize any plans.


 


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The 4-11 Giants face off against the 8-7 Eagles at home. Here’s what you need to know about where to watch…


DATE/TIME: Dec. 29, 2019 at 4:25 p.m. ET

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Did you get everything you wanted this holiday season?

Chances are, you probably didn’t make out as well as Giants linebacker Markus Golden, who will find himself $2.5 million richer following the team’s season finale against the Eagles on Sunday.

Earlier in the week, the league announced a stat correction from the team’s win over the Redskins in Week 16, crediting Golden for a full sack rather than a half-sack.


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Dec 9, 2019; Philadelphia, PA, USA; New York Giants offensive tackle Nate Solder (76) blocks against the Philadelphia Eagles at Lincoln Financial Field. Mandatory Credit: Eric Hartline-USA TODAY Sports (Eric Hartline)
Dec 9, 2019; Philadelphia, PA, USA; New York Giants offensive tackle Nate Solder (76) blocks against the Philadelphia Eagles at Lincoln Financial Field. Mandatory Credit: Eric Hartline-USA TODAY Sports (Eric Hartline)

As the Giants limp to the finish line in 2019, it’s a time for players to self-evaluate. 

One of those players is offensive lineman Nate Solder, who told The Post that he is “first on the list” of Giants who need to perform better.

He was even open to the idea of changing positions, saying that he’d “do whatever it takes to be successful on this team.”


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Oct 10, 2019; Foxborough, MA, USA; New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur watches a play against the New England Patriots during the first half at Gillette Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Greg M. Cooper-USA TODAY Sports (Greg M. Cooper)
Oct 10, 2019; Foxborough, MA, USA; New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur watches a play against the New England Patriots during the first half at Gillette Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Greg M. Cooper-USA TODAY Sports (Greg M. Cooper)

Former Giants quarterback Phil Simms was a guest on Mad Dog Sports Radio on Friday, where he gave his take on the future of Giants head coach Pat Shurmur.

Simms, who played his entire 14-year career with the Giants, said that while he’s heard Shurmur is likely to be fired following his second season, there is reason to believe that Shurmur will stick around.

According to Simms, a win over the Eagles on Sunday would go a long way for Shurmur, as not only could it potentially keep the Eagles out of the playoffs, but a third straight win could make ownership stop and reevaluate the team’s coaching staff.


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Dec 9, 2019; Philadelphia, PA, USA; Philadelphia Eagles tight end Zach Ertz (86) makes the game winning touchdown catch in overtime against the New York Giants at Lincoln Financial Field. Mandatory Credit: Bill Streicher-USA TODAY Sports (Bill Streicher)
Dec 9, 2019; Philadelphia, PA, USA; Philadelphia Eagles tight end Zach Ertz (86) makes the game winning touchdown catch in overtime against the New York Giants at Lincoln Financial Field. Mandatory Credit: Bill Streicher-USA TODAY Sports (Bill Streicher)

Philadelphia Eagles star tight end Zach Ertz will miss the team’s Week 17 game against the Giants at MetLife Stadium, the team announced on Friday afternoon.

Ertz fractured his rib in the Eagles’ Week 16 win over the Dallas Cowboys. In 15 games this season, he has a team-high 88 receptions for 916 yards and six touchdowns.

Dallas Goedert, the team’s second leading receiver, will start at tight end in place of Ertz. He had a career-high nine receptions for 91 yards and a touchdown against the Cowboys in Week 16.


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Sep 30, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants chairman Steve Tisch talks to New Orleans Saints head coach Sean Payton , left, and New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur before their game at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Robert Deutsch-USA TODAY Sports (Robert Deutsch)
Sep 30, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants chairman Steve Tisch talks to New Orleans Saints head coach Sean Payton , left, and New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur before their game at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Robert Deutsch-USA TODAY Sports (Robert Deutsch)

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Change never comes easy to the Giants organization and big changes are historically rare.

But is one of the Giants owners ready to try and force some?

That’s what some around the NFL seem to believe. In fact, multiple NFL sources have told SNY that they believe Steve Tisch, the co-owner of the Giants, is “very frustrated” with the current direction of his organization and will push for sweeping changes when he meets with co-owner John Mara after the season finale on Sunday. However, others believe Tisch has just been “venting” privately in the wake of a 


third straight miserable season and will defer to Mara in the end.


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The Giants will be without tight ends Rhett Ellison and Scott Simonson for their Week 17 matchup with the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday, the team announced.

Ellison has been out since Week 10 as he recovers from a concussion, while Simonson is also recovering from a concussion that he suffered during practice this week.

Rookie tight end Kaden Smith will get the start, as he is coming off a strong performance against the Washington Redskins. Smith had six receptions for 35 yards and two touchdowns, including the game-winning score in overtime.


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The Giants will have a ton of salary cap space this offseason to continue rebuilding their roster, but probably not many of their own players to spend it on. They are currently holding 15 players scheduled to be unrestricted free agents in March. Most of them aren’t worth keeping.

Here’s a look at those players, plus the Giants’ three restricted free agents, and a few other players who could be – and perhaps should be – offseason salary cap cuts:


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After a record-breaking performance for the Giants last week against the Washington Redskins, Saquon Barkley has been named the NFC Offensive Player of the Week.

The second year running back played a huge role in New York’s 41-35 overtime win in Washington, rushing for 189 yards and a touchdown, plus catching four passes for 90 yards and another score.

Barkley’s 279-yard tally on the day broke Tiki Barber‘s total yards from scrimmage franchise record. Barber set the mark against the Eagles in 2002 with 276 total yards. 


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Dec 9, 2019; Philadelphia, PA, USA; Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz (11) roles away from pressure from New York Giants defensive end Dalvin Tomlinson (94) during the second quarter at Lincoln Financial Field. Mandatory Credit: Eric Hartline-USA TODAY Sports (Eric Hartline)
Dec 9, 2019; Philadelphia, PA, USA; Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz (11) roles away from pressure from New York Giants defensive end Dalvin Tomlinson (94) during the second quarter at Lincoln Financial Field. Mandatory Credit: Eric Hartline-USA TODAY Sports (Eric Hartline)

While the Giants are 4-11 overall and lost nine straight games at one point, the Eagles are throwing records out the window in Week 17.

Up to 8-7 with a one-game lead ahead of Dallas after Sunday’s 17-9 win over the Cowboys (7-8), Philadelphia (8-7) clinches the NFC East’s playoff berth with a victory against New York.

But as the 4:25 p.m. kickoff looms for Sunday at MetLife Stadium, quarterback Carson Wentz and the Eagles are by no means chalking up the Giants as an automatic “W.”


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Dec 9, 2019; Philadelphia, PA, USA; New York Giants running back Saquon Barkley (26) stiff arms Philadelphia Eagles free safety Rodney McLeod (23) during the second quarter at Lincoln Financial Field. Mandatory Credit: Eric Hartline-USA TODAY Sports (Eric Hartline)
Dec 9, 2019; Philadelphia, PA, USA; New York Giants running back Saquon Barkley (26) stiff arms Philadelphia Eagles free safety Rodney McLeod (23) during the second quarter at Lincoln Financial Field. Mandatory Credit: Eric Hartline-USA TODAY Sports (Eric Hartline)

Do the Giants care about knocking the Eagles out of the playoffs? It depends on whom you ask.

After Thursday’s practice, three days away from Sunday’s 4:25 p.m. finale against NFC East-leading Philadelphia (8-7), several players acknowledged the possibility of playing the spoiler role.

“We want to play spoiler,” said veteran safety Antoine Bethea. “We want to send them home. We’re not going to the playoffs, so we definitely want to get this dub and knock them out.”


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Despite his place in the franchise as the Giants’ quarterback of the future, Daniel Jones knows better than to bark orders at the front office regarding Pat Shurmur‘s fate.

But if the rookie signal caller and 2019 NFL draft’s No. 6 overall pick had any say in the decision, he would bring the offensive-minded head coach back for 2020 and beyond.

“Yeah, I think, obviously, that’s well above my paygrade,” Jones said Thursday after practice. “I’ve really enjoyed working with coach Shurmur and I think he’s done a whole lot for my development and my growth. So I think, yeah, he’s been great for me.”


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Dec 15, 2019; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur coaches against the Miami Dolphins during the second quarter at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports
Dec 15, 2019; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur coaches against the Miami Dolphins during the second quarter at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports

During Thursday’s media availability, Giants head coach Pat Shurmur spoke about if he thinks the Giants are closer to the playoffs at the end of this season than they were at the end of last season.

“We’ll find out next year,” Shurmur said. “But, I think we made a lot of progress in a lot of areas, and it’s hard to quantify when you don’t match it up with wins, I get that. We’ve probably played about as many young players as you can play, not because we’re playing young players, but because at this point they’re our best players. And so those guys are going to really benefit from the reps they get, as we structure and move forward.

“You got a rookie quarterback that’s made tremendous strides. That’s probably a question for next year, but I think as we continue to grow here and build, there’s a lot to be said for going out with a win.”


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Dec 15, 2019; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur coaches against the Miami Dolphins during the third quarter at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports
Dec 15, 2019; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur coaches against the Miami Dolphins during the third quarter at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports

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The general expectation throughout the NFL is that the Giants will make a coaching change, at the very least, on Monday morning. There are those inside the Giants organization that expect that too, though they aren’t nearly as sure. Some inside Giants headquarters admit they would not be shocked at all if Pat Shurmur‘s key card still works after ownership meets on Monday.

And that begs this question: After two miserable, double-digit loss seasons, how could ownership keeping Shurmur around?

Maybe, in the end, they can’t. Or maybe doing that is easier than anyone thinks, because there are definitely things working in Shurmur’s favor and those factors will all get a long look from John Mara and Steve Tisch early next week. Here’s a look at some of the things in the “pro-Shurmur” column which inevitably could keep him employed by the Giants for (at least) one more year:


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